Monday, March 28, 2016

Dialogue on F.E.D. Dialectics, Exchange #3, Portion 1 of 3.








Dear Readers,


I have just received word that Exchange #3 a the recent series of 'Dialogues on F.E.D. Dialectics', is about to be posted to the www.dialectics.org website.

The set of questions, posted below, for this third exchange are, in my opinion, a very rich set indeed!

Links to the earlier two exchanges of this dialogue are as follows --

-- Exchange #1 -- 
 http://www.dialectics.org/dialectics/Aoristoss_Blog/Entries/2015/5/21_Dialogue_on_F.E.D._Dialectics%2C_Exchange_1..html

-- Exchange #2 --
http://www.dialectics.org/dialectics/Aoristoss_Blog/Entries/2015/5/29_Entry_1.html.

Enjoy!


Regards,

Miguel









Exchange #3:  Dialogue on F.E.D. Dialectics.  29JUN2015.



I1 Q #3:
 
Thank you for such a detailed response to my questions.  The links you included are helping me understand further what you have surveyed in the main body of your text.  You have convinced me that pursuing a study of this material could indeed be worthwhile.  Yet for anyone else reading this that is not quite convinced that learning the details of such a formal system is something worth doing, or just to help any of us get more context on the value of this material and what it might mean in the broader terms of contemporary intellectual discourse, I will pursue some questions and offer some of my provisional evaluations on the context of your discovery in the hopes of further clarification--primarily on just how this line of thinking may do what you claim it can do or hope it may do in further developments.

My most broad level impression of your system, having now seen to what extent you believe and hope that it can approach some kind of totalizing theory of everything, is not exactly disbelief anymore, since I see that while you seem to hold out for some rather comprehensive synthetic totality, it appears to be more of a formal architectonic than a claim or bid for absolute knowledge.  Yet some claims you make do seem to stretch the bounds of what any formal system may do.  I get the impression now that you are describing a language that may be used to map and extend the knowledge of systems past what would be possible in any single formal language by extending the limits of formal systems through dialectical progression, transcending normal Godelian limits by a mapping of (nested?) logical types.  But the impression is still just that, an impression.  It still just seems like a checklist of some future possible science, a checklist of generic stages of progression, something we have seen before in various theoretical guises, albeit in less formal detail.
  
Granted my lack of clarity may be due to the limits of my knowledge of formal logic and mathematics or the further details of your system.  But how is this more than a specialized notation that aims to guide a more coherent development of science and knowledge?  If it is only that, there is still much value, for it seems that our knowledge grows in an incoherent fashion--our mathematics seems like a series of fudges created to get around the limits it has no formal logic to deal with.  A logical framework for dealing with the formal constraints of different symbolic systems and how they might be connected could certainly be a helpful guide in bringing coherence to the scientific world and by extension the social world it has all but conquered. But how are these symbols you have created more than just placeholders for qualities that are always going to depend on information and evaluation from outside the system?  And what determines the structure of this system?  Where do all these numbers come from-- numbers of stages in a progression, numbers of categories...?  Where might I find justification for these categories, rather than others, for these stages and progressions that you have listed in formal detail but not shown me to be inherent in the nature of development itself.  Many people have advanced grand theories of development.  What makes your theory different?  Amongst so much emphasis on formal precision, one should have justification for these forms rather than others.  If it is merely abstract and general, then qualitative accounts would suffice and perhaps be superior.  Explicit formal precision is a quantitative consideration.  Why then these precise formal constraints?  Why does it take so many arithmetics to integrate the qualitative, quantitative, and metrical demands of symbolic inscription?

I am intrigued that you seem convinced that these categorical divisions are not arbitrary but hold great content and look forward to understanding the nature of this content.  But if your system is to have a more broad and abiding interest, it must have something to say about the genesis of form itself, not just its categorization.  What principles have you discovered that your formal system has been designed to express?  You have explained the importance of having a qualitative meaning for division by zero, the importance of solving for the functions of nonlinear equations, and I can see how this can improve the detail of determination in complex systems.  But is this just a notation through which the indeterminate in any system can be deferred through to different measurements/standards of accounting?  Perhaps an attempt to formalize the post-modern demand for a sensitivity to context, which pushed theory away from formal theories of everything in the first place.  An attempt to formalize without reducing qualities to their form?  This certainly is a step beyond the reductive lens through which much of science gets rendered.  There are even supposedly "complexity sensitive" accounts that are still caught up in reductive logic, as you know.  But a more "general complexity" approach which is what theorist David Byrne calls the non-reductive approaches are "non-restricted" because they acknowledge that contextual forces and emergent properties always escape law-like formality.  Context is infinite.  This doesn't bar modelling, it just places it in a middle range, beyond reductive representational theories but not quite absolute forms.  This seems to be where you are reaching.  A mapping of types, a crafting of metaphors that can generalize over a range of related systems.  Yet in doing so, we must justify our choices in context which determine the nature of our models.  I remain open to being convinced that your choices are valuable and effective.  

I2 R #3:   Once again, you have posed an exceptionally excellent field of questions -- some of the most thoughtful that we have ever had the privilege to respond to.  I’m going, once again, to divide my response(s) to this, your third set of questions, so as to keep track of the separate clusters of inquiry into which they fall, with respect to my clusters of responses.  Some clusters use E.D. spectral color-coding to highlight ‘interweaving ordinalities’:



I1 Q #3.A. My most broad level impression of your system, having now seen to what extent you believe and hope that it can approach some kind of totalizing theory of everything, is not exactly disbelief anymore, since I see that while you seem to hold out for some rather comprehensive synthetic totality, it appears to be more of a formal architectonic than a claim or bid for absolute knowledge.  Yet some claims you make do seem to stretch the bounds of what any formal system may do.  I get the impression now that you are describing a language that may be used to map and extend the knowledge of systems past what would be possible in any single formal language by extending the limits of formal systems through dialectical progression, transcending normal Godelian limits by a mapping of (nested?) logical types.  But the impression is still just that, an impression.  It still just seems like a checklist of some future possible science, a checklist of generic stages of progression, something we have seen before in various theoretical guises, albeit in less formal detail.



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Expanding Online '''Encyclopedic Dictionary''' of Marxian Dialectics as Extended by F.E.D.








Dear Readers,



The online '''encyclopedic dictionary''' of Marxian concepts, as extended by F.E.D., and that we have noted to you in previous entries to this blog, has again recently undergone substantial expansion, as exhibited below.

Since this expansion seems to be continuing, we recommend that interested readers review this site periodically.  The URL is --

http://point-of-departure.org/Point-Of-Departure/ClarificationsArchive/ClarificationsArchive.htm


Enjoy!!!



Regards,

Miguel







Clarifications Archive

 

 Format Codes

  • Argumentin the form of hypothesis/premise[s]/conclusion(s)
  • Bibliographicalin the form of a list of printed, and/or web-resident research resources
  • Caricaturein the form of comics, drawings, and/or cartoons
  • Discussionin the form of a recording of an informal group discussion
  • Emailin the form of direct reader-interactive discussion with the referenced author and/or group
  • Filmin the form of short films and/or videos
  • FW (Film with Writing)in the form of written text integratively-accompanying short films and/or videos
  • Graphicalin the form of pictures, photos, graffitos, graffiti, and/or artwork
  • Historicalin the form of citations and/or recountings of historical events, outbreaks, and/or experiments
  • Interviewin the form of recording(s) of formal interactive interview(s)
  • Ideographicalin the form of ideographical-symbolic, including of 'Mathelogical', equations, 'inequations', formulas, and other such expressions
  • Jokein the form of satires, parodies, or jokes regarding the reference
  • Keyprovided search word for querying all documents under the Point-of-Departure.org domain network
  • Libraryin the form of references to, and/or links to, repositories of web resources and texts
  • MC (Monadization Chart)in the form of diagrams depicting the incorporation of multiple units of each given predecessor population into each unit of its 'self-hybrid' successor population
  • Metricin the form of the dynamic throughput of ideographical-symbolic processes... so exemplified as "equations, 'inequations', formulas, and other such expressions"
  • MS (Model Specification)in the form of a [dialectical-]mathematical [meta-]model specification.
  • Musicin the form of references/links to, and/or files recording background or lyrical music
  • Numericsin the form of depictions of numeric data via tables, charts, graphs or other forms of depiction or data visualization
  • Organizationalin the form of a contactable list of definitive or self-coordinated groups
  • Programmaticin the form of programs, platforms, proposed constitutional amendments, and strategy/ strategic documents intending or affirming progressive social change
  • Queriesin the form of lists of, and/or links to, web and street/P. O. Box addresses, and other loci to which readers can put their questions
  • Readingin the form of references/links to, and/or files recording solo readings or vocalization performances of textual material
  • Soundin the form of references/links to, and/or files recording, sound effects
  • SS (Solution Specification)in the form of lists, term-by-term, the solved meaning of a dialectical equation-model's poly-qualinomial heterogeneous "sum"/cumulum of symbols/terms, representing qualitatively different categories.
  • Tablein the form of tables, tabular compilations of interconnected items of information
  • Transcriptin the form of references/links to, and/or files recording the written contents of a speech, play, or film
  • URLin the form of citational links to (a) world wide web source(s) of a quotation or paraphrase
  • Visualin the form of references/links to, and/or files recording, animated patterns or other visual effects
  • Writtenin the form of references/links to, and/or files of written material/text (XHTML/CSS strict-compliance for translator and text-reader applications)
  • WG (Writing with Graphics)in the form of references/links to, and/or files of written material/text (XHTML/CSS strict-compliance for translator and text-reader applications)
  • XHTMLin the form of links to other related files which may contain any of these evidentiary types
  • Yearin the form of listings and/or descriptions of what else occurred in time – at, preceding, or succeeding the timing of that particular referenced item/event
  • Zonein the form of a pinpoint on an historical map

 

Clarifications

  • absolute atomism     W
  • actionics        W
  • actualization space     W
  • a dialectic     W
  • affective     W
  • affective psycho-history     W
  • algebra     W
  • alienation     W
  • ani-societies     W
  • android robotics     W
  • «arché»     W
  • arithmetic     W
  • «arithmoi»     W
  • «arithmos»     W
  • «arithmos aisthetos»     W
  • «arithmos eidetikos»     W
  • «arithmos monadikos»     W
  • atomic power     W
  • atoms     W
  • «aufheben»     WG
  • «aufheben» evolute product rule     WG
  • auto-duality     W
  • auto-dyad     W
  • «autokinesis»     W
  • auto-negation     W
  • «autopoiesis»     W
  • axiom of choice     W
  • B.C.E.     W
  • B.U.E.     W
  • bands, primeval     W
  • bifurcation     W
  • bion     W
  • biota     W
  • Boltzmann-Vlasov-Maxwell Equations     W
  • Boole's Algebra     W
  • Boole's Fundamental Law of Thought     W
  • Boole's Law of Duality     W
  • bubble engineering     W
  • C.O.A.     W
  • camps, primeval     W    WG
  • calculus     W
  • Cantor continuum hypothesis     W
  • capital     W
  • capitalism     W
  • category     W
  • categorial     W
  • categorial progression     W
  • category ontological     W
  • cells [eukaryotic]     W
  • cells [prokaryotic]     W
  • cellular power [eukaryotic]     W
  • change of ontology     W
  • «characteristica-universalis»     W
  • chiefdoms, ancient     W    WG
  • chrono-dynamics     W
  • chrono-empiricism     W
  • chronogenesis     W
  • chronogenetic     W
  • chronogenic     W
  • chronopoiesis     W
  • city-states, ancient     W    WG
  • closed form solutions     W
  • cognition     W
  • cognitive     W
  • cognitive psychoarchaeology     W
  • cognitive psychohistory     W
  • combinatoric explosion     W
  • commodity     W
  • completeness theorem     W
  • complex numbers arithmetic, C     W
  • concentration     W
  • consecuum     W
  • contra-Boolean algebra     W
  • contra-Cantorian totality theories     W
  • contradiction     W    W    WG
  • contrarieties     W
  • conversion formation     W
  • conversion locus     W
  • conversion meta-dynamic     W
  • conversion singularity     W
  • convolute     W    WG
  • convolute meta-numbers     W
  • convolute process     W
  • convolute product     W
  • convolute re-qualification     W
  • covolute     WG
  • cumulativity     W
  • cumulum     W
  • cumulum hypothesis [generalized]     W
  • cyborg prosthetics bionics     W
  • cyclonic vortices     WG     F
  • dark age     W
  • de-cumulation     W
  • de-evolution     W
  • de-generation     W
  • de-Parmenideanized     W
  • densification     W
  • density     W
  • determinateness     W
  • diachronic     W     WG
  • diachronic complement     W
  • diactic eventity     W
  • diacticity     W
  • diactics     W
  • diagonal     W
  • diagonality     W
  • diagonalization     W
  • dialectic     W    WG    Ta
  • dialectic, generic
  •        arché category     W    WG
  •        first contra-category     W    WG
  •        first uni-category     W    WG
  •        dyadic ontology expansion     Id
  • [the] dialectic of [the] dialectic     W    WG
  • dialectical arithmetic Seldonian first
  •        algorithmicity and 'heuristicity' combined     W
  •        connotational entailment     W
  •        relative simplicity of the NQ arithmetic     W
  • dialectic of the dialectical arithmetics
  •        desiderata for our mathematics of dialectics     W
  •        division operations, quantitative, qualitative and qualo-quantitative     WG
  •        first triad     WG
  •        full zero     WG
  •        second triad     WG
  •        selected arithmetics     WG
  •        unit qualifiers progression     WG
  • dialectic of the standard arithmetics
  •        axioms progression     WG
  •        efficacies and defects     W
  •        first triad     WG
  •        Hegel's 'categorics'     WG
  •        inverse operations     WG
  •        meta-model narration     WG
  •        meta-model overview     WG
  •        number-spaces progression     WG
  •        ordered pairs 'meta-element-ization'     W
  •        ordered-pairs progression     WG
  •        proverse operations     WG
  •        unsolvable equations     W
  • dialectic of mathematical discovery     WG
  • dialectic of nature
  •        diachronico-synchronic meta-fractal cosmos     WG
  •        dyadic Seldon function equation     WG    MS    MC
  •        earth-moon system origin     WG
  •        Einstein's solution to Kant's antinomy     WG
  •        'intra-duality' of Einstein's General Relativity theory     WG
  •        'intra-duality' of the cosmos as a whole     WG
  •        electron donor versus electron 'acceptor' atoms     WG
  •        improved moons taxonomy     WG
  •        matter versus anti-matter     WG
  •        meta-sociality of human society     WG
  •        one sentence summary     WG
  •        onto-mass hyperbolicity     WG
  •        polar versus non-polar compounds     WG
  •        up to prokaryotic living cells     WG
  •        standard moons taxonomy     WG
  •        synchronic meta-fractal cosmos     WG
  •        the meta-human     W
  •        triadic Seldon function equation     WG
  • dialectic of social equity     WG
  • dialectical [meta-]axiomatics     W
  • dialectical categorial combinatorics     W
  • dialectical contradictions     W    WG
  • dialectical critique of political-economy – Marxian     WG
  • dialectical eventity     W
  • dialectical function     W
  • dialectical ideography     W
  • dialectical logics     W
  • dialectical meta-axiomatics     G
  • dialectical negation     W
  • dialectical operation     W
  • dialectical operations stage of human[oid] cognitive development     W
  • dialectical operator     W
  • dialectical process     W
  • dialectical [self-]contradiction     W
  • dialectical set theory     W
  • dialectical theories of everything     W
  • dialectical totality     W
  • dialectical totality-theory     W
  • dialectics     W
  • dialectics-in-general     W
  • dialector     W
  • dialector analysis     W
  • dialector calculus     W
  • dialector cumulum     W
  • dialector product     W
  • dialector space     W
  • dialector variables     W
  • «dialektiké»     W
  • diametrical     W
  • diametrical opposition     W
  • dianoesis     W
  • dianoetic     W
  • dianoia     W
  • dichotomy     W
  • dimension     W
  • dimensional     W
  • dimensional analysis     W
  • dimensionality     W
  • direction     W
  • dualectical     W
  • duality     W
  • duals     W
  • dyadic Seldon function equation     WG    MS
  • dynamasis     W
  • dynamic     W
  • dynamical algebra     W
  • dynamical analytical geometry     W
  • dynamical arithmetic     W
  • dynamical geometry     W
  • dynamical-ness     W
  • dynamical system     W
  • dynamical systems theory     W
  • dynamicity     W
  • dynamics     W
  • dynamis     W
  • dynamized     W
  • dynamizes     W
  • Earthism     W
  • eco-fascism     W
  • elision and re-emergence of arithmetical qualifiers     W
  • empires, ancient     WG
  • Encyclopedia Dialectica notationaI conventions
  •        color coding conventions     WG
  •        "double-entry" domain definitions     W
  •        holistic notation     W
  •        ideogramic     W
  •        ideogramic and phonogramic     W
  •        interweaving ordinalities     W
  •        pictogramic     W
  •        qualitative inequality sign     WG
  • Engels' Three Laws of the 'Dialectic of Nature'     W
  • equitarian     W
  • equitism     W
  • eventity     W    WG
  • evolute     W    WG
  • «genos»     W
  • global renaissance     W
  • historical dialectics     W
  • homeomorphic defect     W
  • human genome     W
  • human phenome     W
  • humanocide     W
  • 'ideo-ontology'     W
  • immanent     W
  • immanent critique     W
  • integers arithmetic, Z:     W
  • internal contradiction     W    WG
  • intra-duality     W    WG
  • logics     W
  • Marxian theory     W
  • mathematics     W
  • 'meta-'     WG
  • meta-Darwinian planetary selection test     W
  • meta-genealogy     W
  • meta-monadization     W
  • meta-Nazi     FW    G
  • meta-«physis»     W
  • meta-systematic dialectics     W
  • metafinite difference     W
  • metafinite change     W
  • (principle of) metafinity     W
  • «monad»     W
  • Mu ideography     W
  • natural numbers arithmetic, N     W
  • 'onto-':     W
  • onto-dynamasis     W
  • ontology     W
  • ontology-dynamics     W
  • ontological inequality     WG
  • ontological possibility-space     W
  • ontological reductionism     W
  • organonic algebraic method for solving dialectical equations     W
  • 'physio-ontology'     W
  • «physis»     W
  • planetary humanities     WG
  • psycho-history     W
  • psychohistorical dialectics     W
  • psychohistorical dialectic of human nature
  •        ancient Egyptian pyramids     WG
  •        Aristotle's doctrine of the mean     WG
  •        «Arithmos» theories     W
  •        forces, relations & modes of production     WG
  •        forms of human self-identity     WG
  •        Francis Bacon's three (3) species of science     WG
  •        governance geography     WG     MS
  •        ideologies / knowledges     WG
  •        Justinian's «Hagia Sophia»     WG
  •        "Moai Walking" on prehistoric Easter Island     WG
  •        Neptune's rings hypotheses progression     WG
  •        phonetic written language     WG
  •        Plato's «arithmoi»     WG
  •        Porphyry's «Isagoge»     WG
  •        presentation methods     WG
  •        productive force     WG    Me    MS
  •        psychohistorical materialism     W
  •        sexual orientations     WG
  •        social formations     WG    MC    MS
  •        social relations of production     WG    MS    MC
  •        television programming     MS     SS     WG
  •        time memes     WG
  •        U.S. coinage categorial combinatorics     MS     SS     WG
  •        work versus play     WG
  • qualitative inequality     WG
  • qualo-fractal     W
  • qualo-Peanicity     W
  • rational numbers arithmetic, Q     W
  • real numbers arithmetic, R     W
  • 'Rocke-Nazi'     W    W    G
  • 'Rothe-Nazi'     G
  • ruling class     G
  • ruling plutocracy     G
  • Seldon functions     WG
  • Dialectic of Nature – dyadic Seldon function equation     WG    MS
  • Dialectic of Nature – triadic Seldon function equation     W
  • self-contradiction     W    WG
  • self-duality     W    WG
  • singularity
  •        in general     W
  •        infinite versus metafinite     W
  •        metafinite depletion     W
  •        metafinite resonance     W
  • «species»     W
  • synchronic     W    WG
  • synchronic meta-fractal cosmos     WG
  • systematic dialectic of Marx's Kapital, first triad     W
  • systematic dialectic of Marx's Critique of Political Economy (entire), first triad     WG
  • systematic dialectic of Marx's Critique of Political Economy (entire), second triad     WG
  • systematic dialectics     W
  • systematic dialectic of dynamics formulas     Me
  • systems, meta-systems, and super-systems     W
  • techno-depreciation     W
  • temporal acceleration     W
  • theories of everything     W
  • time     W
  • TOE / T.O.E.     W
  • toroidal vortices     WG    F
  • Meta-Model for the Totality – dyadic Seldon function equation     WG    MS
  • Meta-Model for the Totality – triadic Seldon function equation     W
  • villages, ancient:     WG
  • whole numbers arithmetic, W     W